1.29.2006

The Spatiality of Ideas

It is very interesting to consider the quality of volume that ideas often seem to possess in one’s mind. While this may sound like a rather inchoate notion, I do mean something very definite by it, but I do not yet have a word to express it precisely. I shall give an example instead:
Consider a university or any intellectual institution. When I consider such a thing, it seems to occupy a particular region of some sort of space in my mind. The region corresponds, in some way, to the physical locality of the institution, i.e the region the idea comprises relates to the region representing my self within the totality of my mindspace as my physical person relates to the physical location of the institution. But when I consider more deeply the institution qua intellectual, what was once a volume seems to resolve into points, viz. people and even ideas, the latter melting into some sort of locationless nothing, and the former shrinking to moving points. This seems to be a very subconscious notion, but it is one that I think is socially common. It would be worth considering how our minds connect physical locality with ideas, and more generally how intellectual structure has a spatial element. Perhaps it is merely a matter of association through habit that I connect certain physical locations with certain ideas, but it nevertheless occurs, and has an impact on my method of thought.

If this connection is something more than rote association, however, it would create a whole new level to the database that I have been considering, if the latter is to accurately represent ideas. (I will explain this database in a future post.) There may even be multiple levels to this sort of space, for I do not think that every single one of my ideas have a real or imagined physical correspondent. And even for those that did have a direct physical correspondence, it would not be the sort of correspondent that one could, to speak analogously, point out on a map. It is almost as if this notion requires some sort of fuzziness, i.e. an indistinct notion of location when considering certain ideas.

Perhaps then the database might include a display format to overlap the sense of physicality or even of volume (however distinct either of these may be), of certain ideas, while for others there would be no physical correspondent. Although I do think in the latter case that there is still a spatial sense (since I hold that all ideas, and ideal relations, have a spatial nature) and perhaps this could be meaningfully incorporated with the physical spatiality of ideas possessing such a quality. For simplicity’s sake, this could be displayed as the center of the map being the ideas that do have a physical correspondent, and the edges of it being the ideas which only have and ideal spatiality not a physical one.

In this context it is useful to consider one of Kant's claims within the section on space in the Transcendental Aesthetic of the Critique of Pure Reason (A19 ff). He says that by means of an "outer sense" we present objects as outside of us, within space. The soul’s inner state, however, is intuited through a distinct form: time. But he then claims that space cannot be intuited as something within us.

This seems wholly inconsistent with my experience. My own thoughts are often highly spatial. In fact, my ideas seem to have a spatiality that is either nearly identical to that of physical objects, or one based on it, in a sort of non-temporal extension. It seems odd and almost naïve for Kant to claim that a person is at a single location in space. With respect to certain things this seems true, but that sense should be expanded to include the space of the mind.

The mind as place is an idea which becomes of primary importance when considering how best to represent information, and how human intelligence can be represented.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

If I understand this correctly, I don't think that this is something I do, but perhaps I don't :o

At any rate, I wonder if there are others who would immediately identify what you are speaking of.
-Mr. Kast

by Immortal Curiosity said...

Well, I don't think I can tell you if you understand it or not. That would require some more discussion;-)

As to your second point, I am not sure. I know that I do this, and (not to sound self-centered), I wasn't overly concerned for now whether it is a widespread phenomenon. It's not that I wouldn't be interested to know others' opinions on this. In fact, I have come across people who understand and have experienced what I am talking about here. As to "immediately identify" however, I can't say. I just wanted to get the idea out there in some form.

I am going to soon post some related thoughts concerning various philosophers positions on this, coming from their ideas on space, etc. You may find assistance there.

Can you say whether, in your own thoughts, you find any essential connection between ideas (of any sort) and spatiality (excluding, of course, ideas about space and spatiality)?

Anonymous said...

The closest I would be able to come to what you're talking about with any certainty, I think, would be a viewing of the phases of an argument as flowing forward towards their conclusions. I, at least at the moment, do not find it possible to think of an argument without that spatiality being an essential part of its nature. Thoughts and ideas go somewhere... they are not stagnant, or they would cease to have any interest for me or for anyone. Perhaps if I considered the matter further I would see the varied processes of progression that are in the nature of arguments - side notes, oppositions, secondary conclusions and the like - as necessarily flowing outward in different but similar directions to the basic sorts of progressions, as well.
-Mr. Kast

by Immortal Curiosity said...

The "processes in the progression of arguments" you mention are part of a notion related to what I intended initially. I think that the more general topic of a progression of ideas (subsuming, therefore, arguments) does include a notion of spatiality, as you describe. This seems the most unspecific type of spatiality associated with ideas. The relation between it and the sort of spatiality I was referring to initially would be equivalent to that between Cartesian extension and a Cartesian grid. Progressions can have an extension, a spatial movement, without being intrinsically associated to one another in the sense of a direction, it seems.
The connection with the dialectic that a progression of ideas has is what seems to cause such a progression to include a nature of spatiality. Ideas in a discussion or argument function as stages, moving from a beginning to some sort of conclusion.

On what I think will be a related note: When you think about a specific period of time, especially in the past, e.g. the 12-18th centuries CE, does it "appear" in your mind in any way? I.e. do you have anything associated with it beyond a concept and facts about the period?

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